New beginnings in Social Networking – who is going to win!

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Reliance Entertainment’s social networking site Big Adda (BA) and Ibibo’s new social networking offering Cafe Ibibo (CI) went live recently (you can read Nikhil’s posts about features etc. on ContentSutra here and here respectively.
I spent some time on them in the last couple of days. It’s early days yet, for both, and I would be keenly watching to see how they shape up.
Groups – or addas as they are called on BA – I visited, still have very few members and it might be some time before they achieve critical mass. CI doesn’t have groups, unless I missed out, and continues to attempt building the community around blogs – more on that in a bit. Both looked very similar to Orkut in terms of features, so I wasn’t really sure on what’s the incentive for anyone who’s already on Orkut (a large number now) to move to either.
As a matter of fact 2 clear trends I have recently noticed on Orkut:

  1. It’s become more mainstream and a somewhat older population is now beginning to adopt it too (I was fairly embarrassed until recently, to acknowledge that I was a member on Okut and would quietly lurk around, watching life go on around me). Now it’s a bit like Ryze + loads of much younger people.
  2. If youth who were already on Orkut are choosing to adopt new communities too, (they are not abandoning Orkut) then one community that I think finding traction is Facebook. It’s more aspirational – the lure of a more global member-base, coupled with familiar Indian faces (many who have studied or are studying overseas) already friends with global buddies… making them more accessible to new joins. There’s also more that can be done on the site, so many seem to be adopting it because they are perhaps now more comfortable with the concept of SNA and think they can hold their own etc.

Coming back to Ibibo and its blogging initiative – I think, even though they have given their ‘rewards programme’ a new twist by bringing in the criteria of interactivity and quality, and that is DEFINITELY going to clean up the place a lot, will it become a serious blogging platform? I don’t think so! Here’s what I think, but I need to go back a bit, first:

    I believe they could have benefited by doing a few things differently earlier…

  1. They started by hiring a couple of young bloggers with a bit of a following, and these people were supposed to evangelize the new platform. However, that track was soon dropped in favour of the Blogger Hunt. I think they should have, in fact, gotten more of them to adopt; seed; grow the network. In the end the contest got them some people, but they didn’t get any ‘bloggers’ to choose the platform
  2. Most serious bloggers would anyway not ‘just switch’ one platform for another. It just doesn’t make much sense! Serious bloggers move, but they move to their own domains where they have ownership on content, design; where they appear more credible; where would not be blocked if an entire service was banned at any point in time etc.
  3. However, perhaps the most important reason ‘bloggers’ didn’t really adopt the platform, was because blogging at some level – even if you are righting a personal diary – is a pursuit to showcase writing prowess; thought leadership; an ability to think better, faster, differently than those around etc.. The focus is on the blogger or the group – if its a community blog – and not on the platform itself. So it is Raj’s blog I want to read, sure it is on Blogger, but the writer is the hero. The platform facilitates; the platform stays in the background.
    I think Ibibo’s format overshadowed the individual…
  4. Now too, I think Rs. 10,000/-, or whatever prize, may not lure serious bloggers to adopt the platform. Simple things like aggregating content from some star writers- well read-credible bloggers- among other things, may go a longer way and prove to be a win-win for all, giving readers quality content under one roof; giving bloggers enhanced following (and even rewards) and Ibibo enhanced credibility and stickiness
  5. I am anyway not privy to their strategy and they have a great, resilient team – Cafe Ibibo and other new initiatives could just be the beginning.

On the other hand BigAdda could get great support from Zapak.com , which is anyway going great guns and then also from Big 92.3, with which it shares a part of the name.
So then, Orkut? Minglebox (with a pocket full of money now)? BigAdda? Ibibo? Another? Communities can easily be compared to pubs and restaurants – many pubs see initial success but are abandoned as quickly, as crowds move to the next new thing in town; On the other hand, many restaurants sometimes take a little time to build up traffic, but once they do… people keep coming back.
The next hit restaurant (Oops SNA) in town could be anyone yet – we will wait and see! Thoughts!?

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  • Chandra - hi! It would be interesting to see where Facebook goes...
    Do keep writing.
    Cheers.
    R
  • I dont think anyone would go past Orkut with in two to three years from now.
    And google can do anything with Orkut provided with the huge number of resources they have.
    Imagine if ad revenue is shared with community owners that will be a great addition and no other SNS can do that.
    For me, Orkut rocks though its has some inherent problems with total oneness with scrapbooks and albums and other similar kinda stuff...
    Google can integrate blogger also, if they want to.
  • Hi Rajesh,
    Today I got some interesting comments on my Ibibo post. Thought you might find them interesting. Specially the last two
    http://indianpr.wordpress.com/2007/03/22/ibibo-mih-nasper-the-worst-marketing-strategy/
  • Rajiv - Hi. :). And as of last week, Facebook's allowing users customization/ widgets and net's been on fire talking about the serious competition that Facebook might now bring to Myspace though they are still way behind on numbers. It would be interesting to see this from here...
    Good luck with Facebook - add me there :).
    R
  • I think IC or BA will not be able to over throw Orkut, it is just not going to happen atleast not in the near future.
    IC has started with a disaster which I think is the result of the Great Indian Blogger Hunt contest, which now they have turned into Cash Quest.
    I agree with you that there are no incentives for anyone to switch to IC or BA. Where as Facebook looks to be a place for the switch as it offers international communities.
    It's Funny Rajesh that you said, the older generation is now opening up in Orkut, Facebook now, which is very true I have been avoiding to open an account on Orkut or Facebook, but now all my friends keep asking are you on Facebook?
    I guess I have to join sooner or later.
  • Sandy - :) tell me about it. Contrary to you however I actually need to go hunting for these networks and sometimes lurk around to figure what is happening...lol. There is a message for web 2.0 site owners on need to create fewer, more compelling offerings that actually add value to life and business. See you Friday? Airport or maybe ride with me to Navi Mumbai? Yes, Navi Mumbai. :). I head back straight after the talk.
    Kris: Like Alok said in Blog the Talk Part 2 - communities should only be niche. You are right...
    Actually who knows, Orkut etc, may allow you to post multi-media content and then they might become Tumblelogs by themselves. What say?
    Did you know my earlier blog is actually called 'Verbum'? http://indeverbum.blogspot.com
    I don't know about them Kris :). Early days! But it is possible to make money - I think it is - even on a simple SN site that's not based on transactions. Have you been on Ryze.com - some very powerful communities first got seeded there and the owners have been selling 'gold' membership - paid - for many years now and yes, people have been buying for years too. Show people compelling value either on business, or even on relationships, and they may pay.
    Interesting case study on Hot or Not here - they killed one revenue stream to start another. Read it here.
    BTW - I actually had a profile on H or N many years ago, mustache and all. I know a couple who got married through the site - Indian guy, a friend of mine and girl from overseas. They are happily together... :).
    Read the Tech Crunch piece here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/08/hot-or-not-tears-itself-apart-reinvents/
    Go visit HotorNot.com
  • Orkut's rocking - from my grad college Dean (trust me) to my Kindergarten group - [ got some 120 x-nappy kids] . Really feeling like summer of 69!
    Orkut is everywhere (at least in Indian and Brazilian world) from Venture Partner of Drapper Fisher to Google hottiee Marissa Mayer [http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=11896824899287314528]
    Shhh - Insider story is Shehnaz Hussein is thinking about a new SN!
    I guess, SN future going to be like business consulting - the boutique approach! - Gang of Girls to the upcoming SN for Architects!
    These days I'm really excited about Tumblelogs - especially Tumblr.com
    Sure - people prefer 'Verbum' thoughts better than Great Indian Spammer Hunt!
    BTW - Yahoo in talks to acquire Bebo[ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/05/20/cnbebo20.xml]
    Rajesh - what you think about how these mingle boxes ,addas and iBuilds & iBonds gonna make money ?
  • sandra
    hey rajesh,
    good post.... ive been thinking the web is getting too crowded..every other day my mailbox has some invite or the other..which i am now choosing to ignore...can't afford to clutter web life:)
  • Hey H- thanks.
    That's true - we, at some level track the market because it is our business so to say and it's terribly difficult, and even unnecessary, for us also to keep track of all that's coming up. Why would the users want to, unless the offering was clearly differentiated and compelling enough.
    About emails...I will tell you a story ;).
    R
  • hh
    Hi Rajesh, nice post. I was talking to someone the other day about too many social networking sites today...people keep on getting invites and they end up registering in many sites without ever visiting them again. Or rather they just prefer to keep just one mainstream site. You know it reminds me of the days when there were too many email providers ... nobody's going to cut through the clutter unless you were a gmail...
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